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Post by celicagt78 on Dec 17, 2008 21:52:05 GMT
Hi all,
Many thanks all for your comments on the vehicle, which have been very interesting. I can confirm it is a 'T' reg 1978 model (different to the number plate shown below), with the 18RG, 2.0 DOHC engine. Regarding the point about the car being possibly a press car or dealer demonstrator, I have checked the bill of sale and other paperwork but have not found much on this as yet. What I have found that could be of interest is 3 stock tickets, which include the following information: Ship: Inoral Branco B/L: 17/5/78 Stock no: TJX036
Does this help to shed any further light?
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Post by ta22gt on Dec 18, 2008 22:43:20 GMT
Hi all, Many thanks all for your comments on the vehicle, which have been very interesting. I can confirm it is a 'T' reg 1978 model (different to the number plate shown below), with the 18RG, 2.0 DOHC engine. Regarding the point about the car being possibly a press car or dealer demonstrator, I have checked the bill of sale and other paperwork but have not found much on this as yet. What I have found that could be of interest is 3 stock tickets, which include the following information: Ship: Inoral Branco B/L: 17/5/78 Stock no: TJX036 Does this help to shed any further light? Errrrrr, yes! Toyota flew the very first 2nd gens to Europe for the launch, whilst everything else came by boat, which is why the 'S' reg was significant. Yours was shipped, so not a dealer or press car, but, the vast majority of the cars that where shipped had the 'production' badging on them, so it's still unusual in that respect. Anyhow - it's a very rare survivor, exact import figures for the GT are not known, but an educated guess is around 400, roughly 7 - 8% of the total number of early 2nd gen imports. It appears to be in very good order, with some history and low miles, and I believe black was only available as a special order (correct me if I'm wrong people...) So all in all a very fine example. Valuation is a nightmare. Excellent as yours is, the 2nd gen is always overshadowed by the 1st gens - it's unfortunate enough to be following some very charismatic designs and consequently it is always undervalued in comparison, even though in many respects it's a better car....
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Post by 71ta22 on Feb 12, 2009 10:32:12 GMT
Good looking 1975 TA22 GTV. NZ$15,000. Very very tempting. Only missing some minor but difficult to source parts (rocker panel trim).
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Post by coupeman on Feb 12, 2009 21:40:07 GMT
Good looking 1975 TA22 GTV. NZ$15,000. Very very tempting. Only missing some minor but difficult to source parts (rocker panel trim). Another thing its missing is its wings,there of a 23
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Post by mrbishi on Feb 13, 2009 20:56:35 GMT
Another thing its missing is its wings,there of a 23 Not quite.....in 1974 the JDM coupe received the same nose as the ta27/ra25. It's different to the ta23.
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Post by Alan Duncan on Nov 7, 2010 17:33:57 GMT
Talking to 2 long time members today, looking to see what they thought the 1st gen price guide should be, and they were a good bit diff way there prices and diff to what i thought too. let me know what you think, as i have put it on the practical Classics Forum. link to where i have put it, with two remarks in it too www.practicalclassics.co.uk/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12636Here it is let me know what you all think as i will look at all the replys and take it from there UK Cars Mint Average Flatlight ST £11,000 £6000 Bubble Lt, ST £7,000 £4500 Bubble Lt ,GT £11,000 £6,000 23ST £7,500 £4,500 23 GT £11,000 £6000 28ST £6,000 £4,000 28GT £9,000 £5,000
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Post by Alan Duncan on Nov 7, 2010 19:24:38 GMT
Got this from AMS on the Celica Club for the Lower end
ill go for the lower end prices - average condition examples - top end is too hard to say
Flatlight ST £3500 Bubble Lt, ST £2500 Bubble Lt ,GT £3700 23ST £2000 23 GT £3300 28ST £2,800 28GT £3,000
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Post by dinger on Nov 8, 2010 16:44:24 GMT
Difficult subject Al. I believe the lower values in your second post more realistic. Have we any real info. on what has been happening in the real world recently - prices at which cars have actually changed hands? Also as I think we know the 22 and 23 and 28's all have their followers, and no special advantage in the bubble light apart from rarer. Personally I would see little difference between them and would see an average ST of any type around £2500. The really good cars as in your second post hard to value and again followers for original and rebuilds. At least double for a good one, or a bit more. £5/6000. GT more because of thier rarity and sought after. Add 50% to above but not as much in the 28 - the 18R-G a bit of a lazy big lump!
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Post by Alan Duncan on Aug 26, 2011 21:47:29 GMT
I would think at the mo , it would be better to hold on to a 20s Celica as i think they can only go up. Its hard times at the mo, and pos the best time to get a hold o one, but not to sell, thats just what i think,but who am aye. Anyone got any thoughts on this.
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Post by Alan Duncan on Jun 17, 2012 20:23:46 GMT
think we will have to have a look at this guid as its a bit outdated now , you not think, well looking at Ebay anyways
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Post by adam12345 on Mar 23, 2016 14:06:03 GMT
I thought I would use the time and see if I could update the price's of the 1st Gen Celicas as some of you may have seen, prices in the recent have gone bonkers! They have literally shot through the roof! Some of you may disagree with the prices, but please feel free to add/change any prices from above. Thanks!
UK Models
TA22 ST Flatlight. Con/1-£12,000 Con/2-£7,000 Con/3-£2,750
TA22 ST Bubble Light. Con/1-£9,500 Con/2-£5,250 Con/3-£2,000
TA22 GT Bubble Light. Con/1-£13,500 Con/2-£8,500 Con/3-£3,750
TA23 ST Con/1-£9,500 Con/2- £5,500 Con/3/-£2,500
RA23 ST Con/1-£8,500 Con/2-£2,500 Con/3-£1,750
TA23 GT Con/1-£15,000 Con/2-£9,500 Con/3-£4,500
RA28 ST Con/1-£12,000 Con/2-£7,500 Con/3-£3,500
RA28 GT Con/1-£16,000 Con/2-£10,000 Con/3-£5,000
Non Uk Models
TA22 GT Flatlight. Con/1-£20,000 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£8,000
RA25 Early. Con/1-£22,500 Con/2-£14,000 Con/3-£9,000
RA25 LATE. Con/1-£19,000 Con/2-£11,000 Con/3-£8,000
TA22 LT. Con/1-£8,500 Con/2-£4,750 Con/3-£1,750
TA23 LT. Con/1-£9,000 Con/2-£5,000 Con/3-£1,750
TA22 GT Long Nose. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£10,000 Con/3-£7,000
TA22 GTV. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000
TA23 GTV. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000
TA27 ST. Con/1-£12,500 Con/2-£8,750 Con/3-£6,000
TA27 GT. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000
RA35 GT. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000
There are probably some models which I've missed out on, but this is a rough guide which I think meets today's pricing on older MK1 Celicas.
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Post by 1600gtcelicaman on Mar 23, 2016 18:41:57 GMT
I thought I would use the time and see if I could update the price's of the 1st Gen Celicas as some of you may have seen, prices in the recent have gone bonkers! They have literally shot through the roof! Some of you may disagree with the prices, but please feel free to add/change any prices from above. Thanks! UK ModelsTA22 ST Flatlight. Con/1-£12,000 Con/2-£7,000 Con/3-£2,750 TA22 ST Bubble Light. Con/1-£9,500 Con/2-£5,250 Con/3-£2,000 TA22 GT Bubble Light. Con/1-£13,500 Con/2-£8,500 Con/3-£3,750 TA23 ST Con/1-£9,500 Con/2- £5,500 Con/3/-£2,500 RA23 ST Con/1-£8,500 Con/2-£2,500 Con/3-£1,750 TA23 GT Con/1-£15,000 Con/2-£9,500 Con/3-£4,500 RA28 ST Con/1-£12,000 Con/2-£7,500 Con/3-£3,500 RA28 GT Con/1-£16,000 Con/2-£10,000 Con/3-£5,000 Non Uk Models TA22 GT Flatlight. Con/1-£20,000 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£8,000 RA25 Early. Con/1-£22,500 Con/2-£14,000 Con/3-£9,000 RA25 LATE. Con/1-£19,000 Con/2-£11,000 Con/3-£8,000 TA22 LT. Con/1-£8,500 Con/2-£4,750 Con/3-£1,750 TA23 LT. Con/1-£9,000 Con/2-£5,000 Con/3-£1,750 TA22 GT Long Nose. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£10,000 Con/3-£7,000 TA22 GTV. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000 TA23 GTV. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000 TA27 ST. Con/1-£12,500 Con/2-£8,750 Con/3-£6,000 TA27 GT. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000 RA35 GT. Con/1-£16,500 Con/2-£12,000 Con/3-£7,000 There are probably some models which I've missed out on, but this is a rough guide which I think meets today's pricing on older MK1 Celicas.
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Post by 1600gtcelicaman on Mar 23, 2016 18:49:48 GMT
I think the table was a good shot but the numbers are a bit low for good uk cars in view of the prices achieved recently
Ta22 flatlight condition 1 £20k condition 2 £12k condition 3 £6k Ta22 bubblelight condition 1 £15k condition 2 £12k condition 3 £5k Ta22 gt twin cam condition 1 £20k condition 2£15k condition 3 £8k ta23gt twin cam condition 1 £20k condition 2 £15k condition 3 £8k
the flat lights and gt versions are now eqivalent in value due to limited numbers , namely only 32 ta22gt and 5 roadworthy ones, ta23gt 11 survivors and 3 roadworthy ones
interested in other peoples feedback
and your quite right prices have shot through the roof.
malcolm.
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Post by adam12345 on Mar 24, 2016 10:10:32 GMT
Hi Malcom, I was in two minds on pricing on certain models, but thinking about it a red TA22 ST recently fetched 14k and a Flatlight TA22 with No Mot did 6k so I would say they have gone up quite a fair bit. The times where they could have been bought for £200 are long gone. If you think about the pricing on parts especially on NOS Panels they will fetch serious amount £££££££, I remember when I sold a NOS Quarter Panel for a Bubble Light Model for £275 which I think was quite a strong amount back then as it took me a few weeks to sell it. If I had sold the same Panel in today's market I would have though it would have fetched atleast £600?
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Post by dinger on Feb 10, 2017 12:47:45 GMT
The current issue, cover date March of the glossy, upmarket classic car magazine Octane has an interesting feature titled "The cars to buy in 2017". Some tasty stuff listed in their 15 recommendations, including BMW's, Jags and Porsches. But at number one, although they don't actually say they are ranking them in order, the first generation Celica. Their suggested spread of values £8000 - £20,000, interestingly very close to Malcolm's values, above on his post last March on this thread.
The features includes a pic of an early ST coupe in yellow, while a lovely red example tops their Contents page at the front of the mag. Look like TGB promotional photos as both cars are wearing the correct rectangular shaped "Toyota" front plates that TGB supplied to dealers for showroom display use on new Celicas.
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